MINUTES 
          
                           SENATE COMMITTEE ON FINANCE 
                  Interim Subcommittee on Article III Agencies 
                           Wednesday, December 3, 1997 
                                     9:00 am 
                         Capitol Extension, Room E1.036 
          
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         Pursuant to a notice posted in accordance with Senate Rule  
         11.11, a public hearing of the Senate Interim Finance  
         Subcommittee on Article III Agencies was held on Wednesday,  
         December 3, 1997 in the Capitol Extension, Room E1.036, at  
         Austin, Texas.   
          
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         MEMBERS PRESENT:                        MEMBERS ABSENT: 
         Senator Mike Moncrief, Chair            Senator Judith  
         Zaffirini 
         Senator J.E. Brown 
          
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         Chairman Moncrief called the meeting to order at 9:10 a.m.   
         The following business was transacted.   
         The following members arrived after the roll was called:   
         none. 
          
         The Chair provided a brief overview of the committee charges  
         and told Article III agencies and institutions what  
         information would be expected from them during the interim. 
          
         The Chair called on invited panelists to provide an overview  
         of  the budget process and subcommittee resources.  Panelists  
         presented testimony as follows: 
          
              Lauri Deviney, representing the Legislative Budget Board,  
              provided an overview on the legislative budget process  
              and answered questions of the committee. 
          
              John Barton, representing the Legislative Budget Board,  
              provided an overview on the use of  performance measures  
              and answered questions of the committee. 
          
              John O'Brien, representing the Legislative Budget Board,  
              provided an overview on  strategic planning and budget  
              milestones, and answered questions of the committee. 
          
              David Dunn, representing the Legislative Budget Board,  
      
              provided an overview on full-time equivalent (FTE) caps  
              and answered questions of the committee. 
          
              Larry Alwin, State Auditor, provided an overview on the  
              role of the State Auditor's Office  and answered  
              questions of the committee. 
          
              Carol Smith, representing the State Auditor's Office,  
              provided an overview on the State Auditor's Higher  
              Education Database System and answered questions of the  
              committee. 
          
              Andrea Claire, representing the State Auditor's Office,  
              provided an overview on performance measures  
              certification and answered questions of the committee. 
          
              Kelli Dan, representing the State Auditor's Office,  
              provided an overview on FTE Trends and answered questions  
              of the committee. 
          
         The Chair called representatives from the Texas Higher  
         Education Coordinating Board and various higher education  
         institutions to answer questions regarding the committee  
         charges.  Invited witnesses appeared as follows: 
          
              Don Brown, representing the Texas Higher Education  
              Coordinating Board, provided oral testimony. 
          
              Pamela P. Willeford, representing the Texas Higher  
              Education Coordinating Board, registered but did not  
              testify. 
          
              Dan Burck, representing The University of Texas System,  
              provided oral and written testimony. 
          
              Francie Frederick, representing The University of Texas  
              System, provided oral testimony. 
          
              Tom Scott, representing The University of Texas System,  
              registered but did not testify. 
          
              Dr. Joseph Stafford, representing The University of Texas  
              System, registered but did not testify. 
          
              Robert E. Witt, representing The University of Texas -  
              Arlington, registered but did not testify. 
              Charles Franklin, representing The University of Texas at  
              Austin, registered but did not testify. 
          
              Stephen A. Monti, representing The University of Texas at  
              Austin, registered but did not testify. 
          
              Franklyn G. Jenifer, representing The University of Texas  
              - Dallas, registered but did not testify. 
          
              Miguel A. Nevarez, representing The University of Texas -  
              Pan American, provided oral testimony. 
          
              Charles A. Sorber, representing The University of Texas -  
              Permian Basin, provided oral testimony. 
          
              Samuel A. Kirkpatrick, representing The University of  
              Texas at San Antonio, registered but did not testify. 
          
              W.A. Baker, representing The University of Texas - Tyler,  
              registered but did not testify. 
          
              Leo Sayavedra, representing the Texas A&M University  
              System, provided oral testimony. 
          
              Jerry Gaston, representing Texas A&M University - College  
              Station, provided oral testimony. 
          
              Thomas H. Taylor, representing Texas A&M University -  
              College Station, registered but did not testify. 
          
              William B. Krumm, representing Texas A&M University -  
              College Station, registered but did not testify. 
          
              Michael Kemp, representing Texas A&M University at  
              Galveston, registered but did not testify. 
          
              Charles A. Hines, representing Prairie View A&M  
              University, registered but did not testify. 
          
              Mike Moser, representing Tarleton State University,  
              provided oral testimony. 
          
              Robert R. Furgason, representing Texas A&M University -  
              Corpus Christi, provided oral testimony. 
          
              Manuel L. Ibanez, representing Texas A&M University -  
              Kingsville, provided oral testimony. 
          
              Dr. Charles Jennett, P.E., representing Texas A&M  
              International University, registered but did not testify. 
          
              Russell Long, representing West Texas A&M University,  
              registered but did not testify. 
          
              Jerry D. Morris, representing Texas A&M University -  
              Commerce, registered but did not testify. 
          
              Stephen R. Hensley, representing Texas A&M University -  
              Texarkana, registered but did not testify. 
          
              Lamar Urbanovsky, representing Texas State University  
              System, provided oral testimony. 
          
              James Hindman, representing Angelo State University,  
      
              provided oral testimony. 
          
              Rex L. Cottle, representing Lamar University - Beaumont,  
              provided oral testimony. 
          
              Robert Krienke, representing Lamar University Institute  
              of Technology, registered but did not testify. 
          
              J. Michael Shahan, representing Lamar University -  
              Orange, provided oral testimony. 
          
              Sam Monroe, representing Lamar University - Port Arthur,  
              registered but did not testify. 
          
              Bobby Kees Marks, representing Sam Houston State  
              University, provided oral testimony. 
          
              Jerome H. Supple, representing Southwest Texas State  
              University, provided oral testimony. 
          
              R. Vic Morgan, representing Sul Ross State University,  
              provided oral testimony. 
          
         At 1:30 p.m., Senator Brown moved that the Committee stand  
         recessed until 9:00 a.m., Thursday, December 4, 1997.  Without  
         objection, it was so ordered. 
          
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         Senator Mike Moncrief, Chair 
          
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         Patricia Hicks, Clerk