MINUTES
         
                          SENATE COMMITTEE OF THE WHOLE
                   ON LEGISLATIVE & CONGRESSIONAL REDISTRICTING
                             Tuesday, March 18, 1997
                                    11:00 am
                                 Senate Chamber
         
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         Pursuant to a notice posted in accordance with Senate Rule 
         11.11, a public hearing of the Senate Committee of the Whole 
         on Legislative & Congressional Redistricting was held on 
         Tuesday, March 18, 1997 in the Senate Chamber at Austin, 
         Texas.  
         
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         MEMBERS PRESENT:                        MEMBERS ABSENT:
         Senator Gonzalo Barrientos              Senator Teel Bivins
         Senator J.E. Brown                      Senator Eddie Lucio, 
         Jr.
         Senator Kenneth Armbrister              Senator Florence 
         Shapiro
         Senator David Cain
         Senator John Carona
         Senator Robert Duncan
         Senator Rodney Ellis
         Senator Troy Fraser
         Senator Mario Gallegos, Jr.
         Senator Michael Galloway
         Senator Chris Harris
         Senator Tom Haywood
         Senator Jon Lindsay
         Senator Gregory Luna
         Senator Frank Madla
         Senator Mike Moncrief
         Senator Jane Nelson
         Senator Drew Nixon
         Senator Steve Ogden
         Senator Jerry Patterson
         Senator Bill Ratliff
         Senator Eliot Shapleigh
         Senator David Sibley
         Senator Carlos Truan
         Senator Jeff Wentworth
         Senator Royce West
         
         Senator John Whitmire
         Senator Judith Zaffirini
         Lt. Governor Bob Bullock
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         The Chair called the meeting to order at 12:50 pm.  There 
         being a quorum present, the following business was transacted.  
         The following members arrived after the roll was called:  
         Senator Teel Bivins
         Senator Eddie Lucio, Jr.
         Senator Florence Shapiro
         
         The Chair made opening remarks, stating that the meeting was 
         intended as an organizational meeting to adopt the rules of 
         the committee, to hear a brief presentation from Rick Gray on 
         the status of the legal challenges to legislative and 
         congressional districts, and to hear briefly from staff of the 
         Legislative Council.  The Chair stated that public testimony 
         would also be taken from the general public on the three 
         redistricting bills posted for hearing.
         
         The Chair explained the contents of the committee packets 
         which were distributed to members' desks, and introduced 
         members of the committee staff.  The Chair explained the three 
         bills posted for hearing, and shared his personal observations 
         on the current redistricting issues and how they should be 
         resolved.  The Chair then discussed some basic guidelines for 
         public testimony, and emphasized that written testimony can be 
         submitted now or later.  The Chair asked for comments from 
         other members of the Committee.  There were none. 
         
         Senator Brown assumed the Chair and laid out the proposed 
         committee rules.  The Chair recognized Senator Barrientos to 
         explain the rules. Senator Barrientos moved adoption of the 
         rules and the motion prevailed by a voice vote.
         
         Senator Barrientos resumed the Chair.
         
         The Chair recognized Rick Gray, attorney at law, to report on 
         the status of the racial gerrymandering challenges to 
         legislative and congressional districts, and to address the 
         issue of population deviation in the court-ordered 
         congressional redistricting plan.  Senator Sibley questioned 
         Mr. Gray.
         
         The Chair recognized David Hanna of the Legislative Council to 
         talk about the risk of enacting the court-ordered 
         congressional redistricting plan without eliminating the 
         population deviation.  Senators Sibley and West questioned Mr. 
         Hanna.
         
         The Chair recognized Alan Ware, Program Director, Research 
         Division of the Legislative Council, to explain the computer 
         services that are available.  Senator Armbrister questioned 
         Mr. Ware.
         
         Senator Truan assumed the Chair.
         
         The Chair recognized Representative Delwin Jones, Chairman of 
         the House Committee on Redistricting, representing himself, to 
 
         





         testify on congressional redistricting.  Senators Sibley, 
         Gallegos, and Bivins questioned Representative Jones.
         
         The Chair laid out S.B. 714 (congressional redistricting; Plan 
         C746) and S.B. 715 (senate redistricting; Plan S730) and 
         recognized the author, Senator Barrientos, to explain the 
         bills.
         
         The Chair laid out S.B. 879 (senate redistricting, Plan S856) 
         and recognized the author, Senator Sibley, to explain the 
         bill.  Senators West and Ogden questioned Senator Sibley.
         
         The Chair recognized David Edmondson, General Counsel of the 
         Committee, to summarize the correspondence the Committee has 
         received to date that contains testimony on redistricting 
         matters.
         
         Senator Barrientos resumed the Chair.
         
         The Chair recognized Bill Owens of San Antonio, representing 
         himself, to testify on congressional redistricting (S.B. 714).  
         Mr. Owens offered a Houston area and Dallas area plan (Z 602 
         C522, Plan C739) and a statewide plan (Z 602 C500, Plan C707).  
         Senators Sibley and Bivins questioned Mr. Owens.
         
         There being no further business to come before the Committee, 
         Senator Truan moved that the Committee of the Whole Rise and 
         Report Progress.  The motion prevailed and the Committee 
         recessed at 2:00 p.m.
         
         
         
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         Gonzalo Barrientos, Chair                         Kimberly 
         Herry, Clerk