MINUTES SENATE COMMITTEE OF THE WHOLE ON LEGISLATIVE & CONGRESSIONAL REDISTRICTING Tuesday, March 18, 1997 11:00 am Senate Chamber ***** Pursuant to a notice posted in accordance with Senate Rule 11.11, a public hearing of the Senate Committee of the Whole on Legislative & Congressional Redistricting was held on Tuesday, March 18, 1997 in the Senate Chamber at Austin, Texas. ***** MEMBERS PRESENT: MEMBERS ABSENT: Senator Gonzalo Barrientos Senator Teel Bivins Senator J.E. Brown Senator Eddie Lucio, Jr. Senator Kenneth Armbrister Senator Florence Shapiro Senator David Cain Senator John Carona Senator Robert Duncan Senator Rodney Ellis Senator Troy Fraser Senator Mario Gallegos, Jr. Senator Michael Galloway Senator Chris Harris Senator Tom Haywood Senator Jon Lindsay Senator Gregory Luna Senator Frank Madla Senator Mike Moncrief Senator Jane Nelson Senator Drew Nixon Senator Steve Ogden Senator Jerry Patterson Senator Bill Ratliff Senator Eliot Shapleigh Senator David Sibley Senator Carlos Truan Senator Jeff Wentworth Senator Royce West Senator John Whitmire Senator Judith Zaffirini Lt. Governor Bob Bullock ***** The Chair called the meeting to order at 12:50 pm. There being a quorum present, the following business was transacted. The following members arrived after the roll was called: Senator Teel Bivins Senator Eddie Lucio, Jr. Senator Florence Shapiro The Chair made opening remarks, stating that the meeting was intended as an organizational meeting to adopt the rules of the committee, to hear a brief presentation from Rick Gray on the status of the legal challenges to legislative and congressional districts, and to hear briefly from staff of the Legislative Council. The Chair stated that public testimony would also be taken from the general public on the three redistricting bills posted for hearing. The Chair explained the contents of the committee packets which were distributed to members' desks, and introduced members of the committee staff. The Chair explained the three bills posted for hearing, and shared his personal observations on the current redistricting issues and how they should be resolved. The Chair then discussed some basic guidelines for public testimony, and emphasized that written testimony can be submitted now or later. The Chair asked for comments from other members of the Committee. There were none. Senator Brown assumed the Chair and laid out the proposed committee rules. The Chair recognized Senator Barrientos to explain the rules. Senator Barrientos moved adoption of the rules and the motion prevailed by a voice vote. Senator Barrientos resumed the Chair. The Chair recognized Rick Gray, attorney at law, to report on the status of the racial gerrymandering challenges to legislative and congressional districts, and to address the issue of population deviation in the court-ordered congressional redistricting plan. Senator Sibley questioned Mr. Gray. The Chair recognized David Hanna of the Legislative Council to talk about the risk of enacting the court-ordered congressional redistricting plan without eliminating the population deviation. Senators Sibley and West questioned Mr. Hanna. The Chair recognized Alan Ware, Program Director, Research Division of the Legislative Council, to explain the computer services that are available. Senator Armbrister questioned Mr. Ware. Senator Truan assumed the Chair. The Chair recognized Representative Delwin Jones, Chairman of the House Committee on Redistricting, representing himself, to testify on congressional redistricting. Senators Sibley, Gallegos, and Bivins questioned Representative Jones. The Chair laid out S.B. 714 (congressional redistricting; Plan C746) and S.B. 715 (senate redistricting; Plan S730) and recognized the author, Senator Barrientos, to explain the bills. The Chair laid out S.B. 879 (senate redistricting, Plan S856) and recognized the author, Senator Sibley, to explain the bill. Senators West and Ogden questioned Senator Sibley. The Chair recognized David Edmondson, General Counsel of the Committee, to summarize the correspondence the Committee has received to date that contains testimony on redistricting matters. Senator Barrientos resumed the Chair. The Chair recognized Bill Owens of San Antonio, representing himself, to testify on congressional redistricting (S.B. 714). Mr. Owens offered a Houston area and Dallas area plan (Z 602 C522, Plan C739) and a statewide plan (Z 602 C500, Plan C707). Senators Sibley and Bivins questioned Mr. Owens. There being no further business to come before the Committee, Senator Truan moved that the Committee of the Whole Rise and Report Progress. The motion prevailed and the Committee recessed at 2:00 p.m. _________________________________ _________________________________ Gonzalo Barrientos, Chair Kimberly Herry, Clerk