MINUTES 
          
                   SENATE INTERIM COMMITTEE ON NORTH AMERICAN 
                              FREE TRADE AGREEMENT 
                           Thursday, November 13, 1997 
                                    8:30 a.m. 
                               Camino Real Hotel, 
                                 El Paso, Texas 
                                 PUBLIC HEARING 
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         Pursuant to a notice posted in accordance with Senate Rule  
         11.11, a public hearing of the Senate Interim Committee on  
         North American Free Trade Agreement was held on Thursday,  
         November 13, 1997 in the Camino Real Hotel, El Paso, Texas.   
          
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         MEMBERS PRESENT:                        MEMBERS ABSENT: 
              Senator Carlos F. Truan, Chairman       None 
              Senator John Carona 
              Senator Mario Gallegos, Jr. 
              Senator Steve Ogden 
              Senator Eliot Shapleigh 
          
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         Chairman Truan called the public meeting to order at 8:35 a.m.  
         and began with opening remarks.  A quorum was present. At this  
         time, the Chair introduced and recognized each member of the  
         Committee. The Chair then recognized El Paso Representatives  
         Joe Pickett and Paul Moreno, who were present.  Senator  
         Shapleigh was recognized to make opening remarks and  
         introduced El Paso Mayor Carlos Ramirez to make some  
         introductory remarks.   
          
         Following the printed agenda, Chairman Truan, then introduced  
         the following speakers:  Kelly Fero, from the Texas State  
         Comptroller's office; Carmen Rodriguez, Field Representative  
         from the Comptroller's office; videotaped testimony from Mr.  
         Ray Caballero, an El Paso attorney; Bob Cuellar, Interim  
         Executive Director for the Texas Department of Transportation  
         (TxDOT) and; Dr. Tom Fullerton, Professor for the Center on  
         Border Economic Development at the University of Texas at El  
         Paso. 
          
          The Chair then received testimony from working families about  
         the impact of NAFTA on displaced workers.  Witnesses who  
         testified and registered are shown on the attached list.   
          
         Chairman Truan recognized State Representative Joe Pickett to  
         deliver written and oral testimony regarding border  
  
         infrastructure and transportation issues.  A discussion  
         followed.  The Chairman then received invited testimony from  
         the first panel regarding NAFTA's impact on education.  A  
         discussion followed.  Witnesses who testified and registered  
         are shown on the attached list.  
          
          The Committee recessed for lunch at 12:05 pm until 1:15 pm.  
          
         Upon reconvening at 1:15 pm, the Committee received invited  
         testimony from the second panel regarding NAFTA's impact on  
         health and law enforcement issues.  A discussion followed.   
         Witnesses who testified and registered are shown on the  
         attached list.  Chairman Truan next accepted invited testimony  
         from the third panel regarding NAFTA's impact on housing.  A  
         discussion followed.  Witnesses who testified and registered  
         are shown on the attached list.   The Committee then heard  
         invited testimony from the fourth panel regarding NAFTA's  
         impact on the environment.  A discussion followed.  Witnesses  
         who testified and registered are shown on the attached list. 
          
         Chairman Truan then allowed invited testimony from the fifth  
         panel regarding NAFTA's impact on the border and other NAFTA  
         high-impact regions' infrastructure.  A discussion followed.   
         Witnesses who testified and registered are shown on the  
         attached list.  The Chairman next received invited testimony  
         from the sixth panel regarding NAFTA's impact on education.  A  
         discussion followed.  Witnesses who testified and registered  
         are shown on the attached list.  
          
         Upon conclusion of the invited testimony, the Committee heard  
         public testimony.  A discussion followed.  Witnesses who  
         testified and registered are shown on the attached list.   At  
         5:55 pm Senator Shapleigh assumed the Chair, and public  
         testimony resumed.  There being no further business, at 6:20  
         pm, Senator Shapleigh moved that the Committee be adjourned.  
         Without objection, it was so ordered.   
          
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         Senator Carlos F. Truan, Chair 
          
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         Carla D. Buckner, Clerk