MINUTES SENATE COMMITTEE ON TRANSPORTATION (INTERIM) Thursday, May 14, 1998 10:00 am South Padre Convention Center ***** Pursuant to a notice posted in accordance with Senate Rule 11.11, a public hearing of the Senate Committee on Transportation (Interim) was held on Thursday, May 14, 1998, at the South Padre Convention Centre, South Padre Island, Texas. ***** MEMBERS PRESENT: MEMBERS ABSENT: Senator Kenneth Armbrister Senator David Cain Senator Troy Fraser Senator Drew Nixon Senator Mario Gallegos, Jr. Senator Bill Ratliff Senator Carlos Truan ***** The Chair called the meeting to order at 10:25 am. The following business was transacted. The following members arrived after the roll was called: none. The Chair recognized Mr. Paul Cowen with Senator Eddie Lucio's office to read a letter into the record. (See attached) The Chair recognized Mr. Tom Goodman with the South Padre Island Chamber of Commerce, written testimony attached. Mr. Goodman expressed support for the construction of a second causeway from the mainland to the Island. He also discussed the different options available and stated that the most support exists for the Holly Beach option. The new causeway is being proposed as a tollway, and the figures indicate that with the Holly Beach option, they expect to charge $2 per car per crossing, with 7 million cars crossing per year. Questions and comments from the members followed. The Chair recognized the Honorable Connie de la Garza, Mayor of Harlingen, written testimony attached. The mayor expressed support for the proposed I-69 corridor through Hwy 77/83. Disappointment was also voiced about the current funding methods that tend to favor areas with a 200,00 population or more, and asked for a more equitable method of distributing funds. NAFTA has made this issue much more important. He also communicated his concern about the severe decrease in funding for the Urban Street Program. Questions and comments from the members followed. The Chair recognized the Honorable Renato Cuellar, Hidalgo County Judge. The Chair recognized the Honorable Joe Ochoa, Mayor of Edinburg. Mr. Ochoa stated that the Valley is growing faster than the rest of the state and voiced his concern for achieving equitable funding for the Valley. He also expressed his support for the proposed I-69 Corridor. The Chair recognized Mr. Mike Allen representing the South Texas Manufacturing Association and the South Texas Border Partnership. Mr. Allen described the problem involving egress of trucks from the area ports. He noted that there is no transportation linkage from the ports and border crossings to the interstate highways. Mr. Allen asserted that there is so much emphasis on drug interdiction at the border that the border crossings are paralyzed and crossing it takes too long. He supports a dedicated commuter lane at the border, with "pre-screened" operators. Questions and comments from the members followed. The Chair recognized the Honorable Jose Pulido, County Judge -elect for Hidalgo County. Mr. Pulido expressed his support for the concept of raising local funds to invest in quality of life. Questions and comments from the members followed. The Chair recognized Mr. Ed Molitor, Hidalgo County MPO. Mr. Molitor stressed that funding flexibility is very important. He pointed to the fact that highway funds have never been transferred to transit projects, but transit funds have been transferred to highway projects. Mr. Molitor also expressed support for disadvantaged funding, more flexibility in off-system projects, and more transferability between fewer pots of money. Questions and comments from the members followed. The Chair recognized Mr. Larry Brown, Planner with the City of Brownsville. Mr Brown, stressed the need for an overpass over 77/83 extension, as it will alleviate congestions. However, the Urban Street Program funds for Brownsville have been cut in half, when they need to be increased instead. Questions and comments from the members followed. The Chair recognized Mr. Bill Card, former Mayor of Harlingen, and a 6 year former MPO Chair. Mr. Card strongly supported the proposed I-69 Corridor , saying it will be a "big boom" for Texas. He also expressed strong support for a second causeway to the Island, if only to address the safety issue. Mr. Card stated his feeling that infrastructure needs to become a state priority and that it doesn't make sense to spend billions in transportation projects in North Texas when traffic gets down to South Texas in a bottleneck. He also pointed out the fact that TxDot is considering making a priority corridor from Laredo to Corpus, but Laredo has only 1/5 the traffic of the McAllen/Brownsville area. Questions and comments by the members followed. The Chair recognized Mr. Alan Johnson, Vice Chair of the Texas Turnpike Authority. Mr. Johnson, summarized the history of the Valley being left out of the major highway system, when the mobility study came out and helped them get Hwy 77/83. This has set them up nicely for the proposed I-69. Mr. Johnson supported using tolls, and said the state needs to take advantage of the SIB and tolling. Questions and comments by the members followed. The Chair recognized Mr. Raul Besteiro, Port of Brownsville. Mr. Besteiro stated that Brownsville is the only port in the US that isn't serviced by an interstate highway and that he supported the I-69 proposal. He made reference to the project to route train traffic around Brownsville is almost complete and so far they have removed seventy-four deadly rail crossings. Questions and comments by the members followed. The Chair recognized Mr. Gary Wayes, former City Alderman. Mr. Ways expressed his support for the second causeway as well as the I-69 corridor. The Chair recognized Mr. Charlie Brown, Valley Trucking Co., Brownsville. Mr. Brown wanted to go on the record in support of the previous groups' testimony. The Chair recognized Mr. Paul Cown, Senator Lucio's office with Amadeo Saenz, Tx Dot district engineer , and John Voss, and Dr. Marge Ford, with the Long Island Association. Testimony centered around the "swing bridge" at Long Island. This is the only one in the state that is not maintained by TxDot, so the citizens of Long Island must maintain it on their own, and would would like it to change. The bridge has an appraised value of $30 million and an annual maintenance cost of $300,000. Questions and comments by the members followed. Mr Saenz stated they he would be happy to work with Senator Lucio's office and the interested parties to try and arrive at a solution to the problem. The Chair recognized Mr. Robert Nichols, Transportation Commissioner, with Amadeo Saenz, district engineer. Senator Fraser asked how we keep up with NAFTA traffic and with truck crossings doubling? Nichols' immediate response was to increase the manpower available at the crossing gates so that all of them can be operational and processing traffic with maximum efficiency. Mr. Nichols wanted to respond to testimony he heard in San Antonio relating to TxDot trying to pool whatever money was available in different funding categories to try and have an amount available to meet the increased match that will be required to draw down increased federal funds. Nichols asserted that TxDot is not pooling money yet for this purpose. Senator Fraser moved the minutes from April 23rd be adopted. There being no objection the motion prevailed. There being no further business to come before the Committee, at 4:15pm, the Chair moved the committee stand recessed, subject to the call of the Chair. There being no objection, the motion prevailed. _____________________________ Senator Ken Armbrister, Chair _____________________________ Committee Clerk