MINUTES 
          
                  SENATE COMMITTEE ON TITLE INSURANCE (INTERIM) 
                          Wednesday, September 9, 1998 
                                     9:00 am 
                         Capitol Extension, Room E1.028 
          
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         Pursuant to a notice posted in accordance with Senate Rule  
         11.11, a public hearing of the Senate Committee on Title  
         Insurance (Interim) was held on Wednesday, September 9, 1998  
         in the Capitol Extension, Room E1.028, at Austin, Texas.   
          
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         MEMBERS PRESENT:                        MEMBERS ABSENT: 
         Senator Chris Harris                    Senator Gonzalo  
                                                 Barrientos 
                                                 Senator J.E. Brown 
                                                  
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         The Chair called the meeting to order at 9:05 am.  The  
         following business was transacted.   
          
         The following members arrived after the roll was called:   
         none. 
          
         Senator Harris called Robert Carter, Deputy Commissioner of  
         the Title Division of the Texas Department of Insurance and  
         Merritt L. Hopson, Technical Advisor in the Title Division to  
         testify.  Senator Harris stated that his understanding was  
         that the Insurance Department had addressed  the main issues,  
         that the interim committee had been formed  for, with their  
         proposed rules 12, 22 and 48.  Mr. Carter confirmed that  
         assumption.  Senator Harris stated that it had been brought to  
         his attention that there was probably an inherent conflict  
         between P12 and P 48 and was the Department of Insurance    
         prepared to go back and address that issue.  Mr. Carter  
         responded  by saying that the proposed rules were just  
         published in the Texas Register on August 21, 1998 and it had  
         only been in the last week or so that they had begun to  
         receive informal comments on those rules.  The issues that  
         Senator Harris spoke of had been received via fax on Friday,  
         August 4th and they were in the process of digesting those.   
         Senator Harris stated that he would  prefer the issues to be  
         addressed, settled and out of the way so there would  not be a  
         Legislative hassle during the next session.  He also did not   
         want  to see a situation arise with the possibility of a  
         directed verdict against the Department. The Chair would be  
         more than happy and consider it basically  a dead  issue as   
  
         long as the Department of Insurance would  pass the  
         regulations and enforce them. 
          
         Senator Harris felt there were several other areas of concern  
         that would lead to proposed legislation  with one being the  
         disciplinary proceedings where someone can turn in their  
         license prior to the disciplinary action and circumvent the  
         proceedings and the other being in the auditing area.  Mr.  
         Carter spoke to both of  these and reminded the Senator that  
         these issues were brought to the Committee by the Insurance  
         Department to look at and also Merritt Hopson could speak more  
         on the controlled business rules if needed.  Senator Harris  
         stated he didn't think that was necessary and thanked both Mr.  
         Carter and Mr. Hopson for coming to testify.                                                                                         
                                                                                                                                              
         Stephen A. Hester, Jr., representing Chicago Title, stated  
         that Chicago Title would be providing evidence and data in  
         written form to the Texas  Department of Insurance on P12 and  
         P22 and would  send the Committee a copy.                                                                                            
                                                                                                                                              
         Senator Harris thanked all those who testified and there being   
         no further business, at 9:14 am Senator Harris moved that the  
         Committee stand recessed subject to the call of the Chair.   
         Without objection, it was so ordered.   
          
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         Senator Chris Harris, Chair 
          
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         Myra J. Schmitt, Clerk