Thursday, June 14, 2001 
                                     10:00 a.m. 
                          Betty King Committee Room, 2E.20 
         Pursuant to a notice posted in accordance with Senate  
         Rule 11.18, a public hearing of the Senate Committee on  
         Redistricting was held on Thursday, June 14, 2001, in  
         the Betty King Committee Room, 2E.20, in Austin, Texas. 
         MEMBERS PRESENT:                        MEMBERS ABSENT: 
         Senator Jeff Wentworth                  Senator Kenneth  
         Senator Mike Jackson                                                
         Senator Troy Fraser 
         Senator David Cain 
         Senator Robert Duncan 
         Senator Rodney Ellis 
         Senator Mario Gallegos 
         Senator Florence Shapiro 
         Senator Judith Zaffirini 
         The chair called the meeting to order at 10:05 a.m.  A  
         quorum was established at 10:08 a.m. with the arrival  
         of Senator Duncan.  The following business was  
         The following members arrived after the roll was  
         Senator Florence Shapiro 
         Senator Robert Duncan 
         Senator Mario Gallegos 
         Senator Zaffirini moved to adopt the committee minutes  
         from the previous hearing on June 6, 2001.  There being  
         no objection, the minutes were adopted. 
         The chair reported that, since the last committee  
         meeting, very few maps had been submitted to the  
         committee by Members of Congress.  The chair announced  
         that as a result of letters sent to the Members of  
         Congress notifying them that a Congressional map would  
         be considered by the committee with or without their  
         input, the committee received maps from Congressman  
         Silvestre Reyes,  Congressman Henry Bonilla, and  
         Congressman Jim Turner.  The chair received calls from  
         Congressman Joe Barton and Congressman Lamar Smith.   
         Other Congressmen notified the chair they were working  
         together on plans, but they were waiting for consent by  
         the Republican and Democrat delegations.   
         The chair stated that one of the reasons for this  
         meeting was to hear testimony from members of the State  
         Board of Education regarding the progress on a plan  
         that had the support of all board members.   
         State Board of Education member Geraldine "Tincy"  
         Miller and her independent consultant, Pat O'Grady,  
         testified about their current working map, PLAN 01009E.   
         Mrs. Miller stated that her plan met federal and state  
         guidelines regarding compactness of county lines,  
         minority opportunities, and the one person- one vote  
         redistricting rule.  Mrs. Miller stated that her plan  
         is bipartisan and has the support of 11 of the board  
         members.  Mr. O'Grady stated that he and Mrs. Miller  
         are attempting to draw a consensus plan that the  
         remaining four board members would support. 
         The chair asked Mr. O'Grady if any changes had been  
         made in the map that was presented at the last  
         committee meeting.  Mr. O'Grady explained that he had  
         made modifications to District 13 in the Dallas/Tarrant  
         County area as well as to District 8.  He also cut the  
         size of District 6, which was too large.  
         State Board of Education member Grace Shore testified  
         that she was opposed to PLAN 01009E, because it removed  
         Harris County from her district.  Ms. Shore stated that  
         she prefers Senator Duncan's plan for her district. 
         Senator Duncan offered an explanation of his proposed  
         working plan for the State Board of Education.  Senator  
         Duncan stated that he was working from the plan laid  
         out last week by Mrs. Miller and Mr. O'Grady.  Senator  
         Duncan hopes to create a compromise map that would have  
         the support of all of the board members. Senator Duncan  
         stated he had hoped to introduce the plan at the  
         meeting, but some problems with the map were discovered  
         that needed to be fixed. 
         State Board of Education member Dan Montgomery stated  
         his opposition to PLAN 01009E, because the plan changed  
         his district too much.  Mr. Montgomery faxed his  
         suggestions to at least six of the board members, but  
         none responded.  Mr. Montgomery stated his opposition  
         to Senator Duncan's plan as it is currently drawn. 
         Committee members questioned the witnesses.  Senator  
         Jackson wanted to know whether the number of State  
         Board of Education members who supported PLAN 01009E  
         had increased, decreased, or stayed the same.  The  
         chair stated that the number was 11-4 pending receipt  
         of Senator Duncan's plan, which might be a plan upon  
         which all members could agree.   
         Senator Jackson then followed up with a procedural  
         question about whether or not the committee could pass  
         out a plan.  The chair stated that the committee is  
         still operating under the rules adopted in January, and  
         that the committee can vote out a map if a majority of  
         the members agree. 
         The chair asked the members of the committee to contact  
         their Congressional members and State Board of  
         Education members for their proposed ideas and  
         suggestions for the next committee meeting. 
         Discussion took place regarding consideration of the  
         House Congressional plan. Senator Cain asked for an  
         update on whether the House Redistricting Committee was  
         still meeting. 
         The chair stated that the House Redistricting Committee  
         had passed out a Congressional plan, and that Chairman  
         Jones had sent a letter to Governor Perry. The letter  
         was read into the record by the chair. 
         Discussion took place regarding the future meeting  
         plans of the committee. Senator Duncan stated his  
         opposition to courts drawing the Congressional plan.  
         The chair indicated that he hoped to present a  
         Congressional plan at the next hearing. 
         In response to a question by Senator Jackson, the chair  
         announced that there are thirteen to fourteen proposed  
         Congressional maps which are available to the public  
         via the Internet. 
         Senator Zaffirini asked the chair if the Governor had  
         set a deadline for drawing Congressional and State  
         Board of Education maps. 
         The chair clarified that the Governor had not given the  
         committee a specific deadline.  At the last meeting,  
         the chair announced that he hoped to answer the  
         Governor by the end of the month.  At this meeting, the  
         chair announced the committee would meet on Tuesday,  
         June 26, 2001, and then hold, hopefully, no more than  
         two or three meetings after that. 
         There being no further business, at 10:49 a.m. Senator  
         Duncan moved that the committee stand recessed subject  
         to the call of the chair.  Without objection, the  
         committee recessed.   
         Senator Jeff Wentworth, Chair 
         Robert Haley, Clerk