Tuesday, June 26, 2001 
                                     1:30 p.m. 
                          Betty King Committee Room, 2E.20 
         Pursuant to a notice posted in accordance with Senate  
         Rule 11.18, a public hearing of the Senate Committee on  
         Redistricting was held on Tuesday, June 26, 2001, in  
         the Betty King Committee Room, 2E.20, of the State  
         Capitol in Austin, Texas. 
         MEMBERS PRESENT:                        MEMBERS ABSENT: 
         Senator Jeff Wentworth                  Senator David Cain 
         Senator Mike Jackson                    Senator Rodney Ellis 
         Senator Kenneth Armbrister              Senator Troy Fraser 
         Senator Robert Duncan 
         Senator Mario Gallegos 
         Senator Florence Shapiro 
         Senator Judith Zaffirini 
         The chair called the meeting to order at 1:44 p.m.   
         There being a quorum present, the following business  
         was transacted:   
         The following member arrived after the roll was called: 
         Senator Mario Gallegos 
         Senator Duncan moved to adopt the committee minutes  
         from the previous hearing on Thursday, June 14, 2001.   
         There being no objection, the minutes were adopted. 
         The chair announced that the purpose of this meeting  
         was to continue taking testimony on Congressional and  
         State Board of Education plans.  The chair reminded  
         those who wished to provide testimony to fill out  
         witness registration cards. 
         The chair recognized Senator Duncan to lay out and  
         offer an explanation of his proposed plan for the State  
         Board of Education Districts.  Senator Duncan stated  
         that PLAN 01011E, which was a result of working with  
         some of the members of the State Board of Education, is  
         an attempt to achieve a balance with the board members.   
         Senator Duncan informed the committee members that PLAN  
         01011E compressed the deviation as well as addressed  
         the concerns that Mr. Montgomery and Chairman Shore  
         raised about the Miller PLAN 01009E.  Senator Duncan  
         stated that Districts 1, 3, 7, 10, and 15 were changed  
         from the Miller plan and that Districts 11, 12, and 13  
         were not. 
         The committee members questioned Senator Duncan about  
         his proposed PLAN 01011E.  In response to a question  
         from Senator Shapiro, Senator Duncan stated that he had  
         not polled the members, so he did not know how many of  
         the 15 supported his plan. 
         Public testimony was taken on Congressional and State  
         Board of Education redistricting, and committee members  
         questioned the witnesses. 
         State Board of Education member Dr. Joe Bernal  
         testified that he is still in favor of the Miller plan  
         which has been a work in progress since April.  Dr.  
         Bernal stated that the Miller plan is fair and  
         equitable to everyone, and he opposes the plan laid out  
         by Senator Duncan. 
         State Board of Education member Geraldine "Tincy"  
         Miller stated that she was resubmitting her bipartisan  
         working plan which has the support of 11 board members.   
         Ms. Miller testified that her plan is fair and  
         equitable and considers all of the concerns of the  
         members while meeting the appropriate and required  
         guidelines.  Ms. Miller stated her opposition to  
         Senator Duncan's plan which she believes disregards  
         communities of interest and changes the political  
         character of three districts, those being districts 3,  
         7, and 10. 
         State Board of Education member David Bradley testified  
         that he has supported the Miller plan from the start.   
         Mr. Bradley stated that this plan has the support of 11  
         of the 15 board members.  Mr. Bradley informed the  
         committee that under Senator Duncan's plan, Republicans  
         would lose two seats and the plan would put the entire  
         coast in his district.  Senator Duncan questioned Mr.  
         Bradley about the two plans submitted to the committee. 
         In response to a question by Senator Armbrister, Mr.  
         Pat O'Grady, consultant to State Board of Education  
         member Geraldine "Tincy" Miller, will conduct the same  
         types of tests to the Duncan plan that were applied to  
         the Miller plan. 
         State Board of Education member Don McLeroy testified  
         that he benefits greatly from Senator Duncan's plan;  
         however, he does not support the proposed plan.  Mr.  
         McLeroy stated that the Miller plan works with all of  
         the members of the board.   
         Ms. Donna Howard testified that the Duncan plan is not  
         only more compact than the Miller plan, but it also  
         returns Travis County to one district.  Ms. Howard  
         stated that she is concerned about alignment and does  
         not believe that incumbent protection should be the  
         principal focus of the new map. 
         State Board of Education member Judy Strickland stated  
         she supports what's best for the State of Texas and  
         District 15.  Ms. Strickland testified that under the  
         Miller Plan she would have 67 counties and under the  
         Duncan plan she would have 72 counties.  Ms. Strickland  
         will work with the consensus to come up with a plan. 
         State Board of Education member Rene Nuez testified  
         that he is one of the four who does not support the  
         Miller plan.  Mr. Nuez informed the committee that the  
         Miller plan destroys District 5 represented by Mr. Dan  
         Montgomery.  Mr. Nuez stated his support for Senator  
         Duncan's plan. 
         In a response to questions by Senator Zaffirini  
         regarding Congressional redistricting, the chair stated  
         he is responding to a letter written by Governor Perry  
         and sent to Speaker Laney and Lt. Governor Ratliff, and  
         that he was hopeful that an agreement could be reached  
         on a Congressional map. 
         The chair distributed proposed Congressional PLAN  
         01082C to the committee members, and a discussion took  
         place.  The chair announced that this proposed plan  
         would establish a new Hispanic Congressional District  
         based in and around Webb county as well as establishing  
         a new African-American Congressional District in the  
         Houston/Galveston area. 
         Senator Gallegos stated his concerns about the 29th  
         Congressional District in Houston, and that the plan  
         leaves out Hispanic communities that were cut up by the  
         Federal courts since the 1991 redistricting. 
         The chair announced his hope that the next meeting  
         would take place on July 5 or July 6, 2001, and  
         requested committee members share their preferences  
         with committee staff. 
         There being no further business, at 3:21 p.m., the  
         chair announced that the Committee would stand in  
         recess subject to the call of the chair.  Without  
         objection, the committee recessed.   
         Senator Jeff Wentworth, Chair 
         Robert Haley, Clerk