MINUTES 
                                           
                         SENATE COMMITTEE ON STATE AFFAIRS 
                              Tuesday, April 15, 2003 
                                     8:00 a.m. 
                            Capitol Extension Auditorium 
                                           
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         Pursuant to a notice posted in accordance with Senate Rule  
         11.18, a public hearing of the Senate Committee on State Affairs  
         was held on Tuesday, April 15, 2003, in the Capitol Extension  
         Auditorium at Austin, Texas. 
          
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         MEMBERS PRESENT:                        MEMBERS ABSENT: 
         Senator Bill Ratliff                    None 
         Senator Todd Staples 
         Senator Kenneth Armbrister 
         Senator Robert Duncan 
         Senator Rodney Ellis 
         Senator Troy Fraser 
         Senator Chris Harris 
         Senator Frank Madla 
         Senator Jane Nelson 
                                           
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         Chairman Ratliff called the meeting to order at 8:00 a.m., and  
         opened the public testimony portion on Article 6 of HB 4.   At  
         the conclusion of testimony, the chairman  moved that public  
         testimony on Article 6 be closed; without objection, it was so  
         ordered.   
          
         The chairman opened the public testimony portion on Article 7 of  
         HB 4.  At the conclusion of testimony, the chairman  moved that  
         public testimony on Article 7 be closed; without objection, it  
         was so ordered.  
          
         The chairman opened the public testimony portion on Article 8 of  
         HB 4.  At the conclusion of testimony, the chairman  moved that  
         public testimony on Article 8 be closed; without objection, it  
         was so ordered.  
          
         The chairman opened the public testimony portion on Article 9 of  
         HB 4.  At the conclusion of testimony, the chairman  moved that  
         public testimony on Article 9 be closed; without objection, it  
         was so ordered.  
          
         At 10:05 a.m., the chairman indicated that with the Texas Senate  
         convening at 11:00 a.m., he did not want to start Article 10  
  
         until after adjournment of the senate.  The chairman then opened  
         the public testimony portion on Article 11 of HB 4.  Testimony  
         was taken and the chairman left testimony open on Article 11. 
          
         Chairman Ratliff then opened the public testimony portion on  
         Article 12 of HB 4.  Testimony was taken and the chairman left  
         testimony open on Article 12.   
          
         At 10:40 a.m., Senator Ratliff moved that the committee stand  
         recessed until after adjournment of the Senate; without  
         objection, it was so ordered.    
          
         At 3:00 p.m. the committee reconvened, and the chairman preceded  
         to take more testimony on Article 11 which was left open during  
         the morning session.  At the conclusion of testimony, the  
         chairman  moved that public testimony on Article 11 be closed;  
         without objection, it was so ordered.  
          
         As with the preceding article,  the chairman took additional  
         testimony on Article 12 which was left open during the morning  
         session.  At the conclusion of testimony, the chairman  moved  
         that public testimony on Article 12 be closed; without  
         objection, it was so ordered.  
          
         Chairman Ratliff then opened the public testimony portion on  
         Article 10 of HB 4.  Witnesses testifying and registering on the  
         bill during today's hearing are shown on the attached list.  At  
         7:32 p.m., the chairman halted testimony and announced that the  
         committee would pick up testimony on Article 10 at 8:00 a.m.,  
         Wednesday, April 16, 2003, in the auditorium. Senator Ratliff  
         moved that the Committee stand recessed subject to the call of  
         the chair.  Without objection, it was so ordered.   
          
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         Senator Bill Ratliff, Chairman 
          
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         Nancy B. Macken, Clerk