MINUTES 
                                           
                         SENATE COMMITTEE ON STATE AFFAIRS 
                                Monday, May 5, 2003 
                                     8:00 a.m. 
                                   Senate Chamber 
                                           
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         Pursuant to a notice posted in accordance with Senate Rule  
         11.18, a public hearing of the Senate Committee on State Affairs  
         was held on Monday, May 5, 2003, in the Senate Chamber at  
         Austin, Texas. 
          
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         MEMBERS PRESENT:                        MEMBERS ABSENT: 
         Senator Bill Ratliff                    Senator Robert Duncan 
         Senator Todd Staples                     
         Senator Kenneth Armbrister 
         Senator Rodney Ellis                     
         Senator Troy Fraser 
         Senator Chris Harris 
         Senator Frank Madla 
         Senator Jane Nelson 
                                           
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         Chairman Ratliff called the meeting to order at 8:02 a.m.  There  
         being a quorum present, the following business was transacted:   
          
         The chairman passed the gavel to Senator Staples who laid out  
         the committee substitute for HB 4.  Chairman Ratliff resumed the  
         chair and announced that testimony would be taken on any or all  
         items a witness wished to cover; there will be no time limits  
         imposed.  The chairman opened public testimony, and began taking  
         testimony on the substitute. 
          
         At 10:37 a.m., Chairman Ratliff moved that the committee stand  
         recessed until 30 minutes after adjournment of the Senate;  
         without objection, it was so ordered.   
          
         At 4:30 p.m., the committee reconvened and continued taking  
         public testimony on the committee substitute for HB 4. 
          
         At 5:45 p.m., the chairman stopped taking testimony on the  
         committee substitute for HB 4, and laid out, as pending business  
         (posting rule suspended on the floor), SB 563.  Senator Madla  
         moved that SB 563 do not pass but that CSSB 563 be reported back  
         to the Senate with the recommendation that it do pass and be  
         printed.  The motion carried with a record vote of 5 ayes, 1  
         nay, 0 present not voting, and 3 absent.   
  
         At 5:47 p.m., testimony on the committee substitute for HB 4  
         resumed.  Witnesses testifying and registering on the substitute  
         during today's hearing are shown on the attached list.  For a  
         brief period of time during the afternoon session, Senator  
         Staples was in the chair.   
          
         At 7:50 p.m. Chairman Ratliff moved that the Committee stand  
         recessed until 8:00 a.m., Tuesday, May 6, 2003, when the  
         committee would meet again to continue taking testimony on the  
         committee substitute for HB 4; the chairman announced that the  
         committee would meet in the Extension Auditorium.  Without  
         objection, it was so ordered.   
          
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         Senator Bill Ratliff, Chairman 
          
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         Nancy B. Macken, Clerk