MINUTES 
                                           
                         SENATE COMMITTEE ON STATE AFFAIRS 
                              Wednesday, July 9, 2003 
                           1:30 p.m. or upon adjournment 
                                   Senate Chamber 
                                           
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         Pursuant to suspension of Senate Rule 11.18, a public hearing of  
         the Senate Committee on State Affairs was held on Wednesday,  
         July 9, 2003, in the Senate Chamber at Austin, Texas. 
          
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         MEMBERS PRESENT:                        MEMBERS ABSENT: 
         Senator Bill Ratliff                    Senator Todd Staples 
         Senator Kenneth Armbrister              Senator Robert Duncan 
         Senator Rodney Ellis                    Senator Chris Harris 
         Senator Troy Fraser 
         Senator Frank Madla 
         Senator Jane Nelson 
                                           
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         Chairman Ratliff called the meeting to order at 2:08 p.m., and  
         announced that both SB 8 (pending business) and SB 41 would be  
         considered during the hearing.  In addition, since a new  
         substitute to SB 8 would be offered testimony would be reopened. 
          
         The chairman laid out, as pending business, SB 8 and recognized  
         Senator Armbrister for a motion.  Senator Armbrister moved to  
         withdraw the Nelson committee substitute offered on July 8th;  
         there being no objection, it was so ordered.  Senator Armbrister  
         then sent up a new committee substitute; the chair recognized  
         Senator Janek, the author of SB 8, to explain the Armbrister  
         committee substitute.  Senator Armbrister then moved to  
         reconsider the motion by which testimony on SB 8 was closed on  
         July 8th; there being no objection, it was so ordered.   
         Witnesses testifying on the Armbrister substitute are shown on  
         the attached list.  Chairman Ratliff moved that SB 8 be left  
         pending; without objection, it was so ordered.  
          
         The chairman laid out SB 41 and recognized Senator Hinojosa, in  
         the absence of the author, to explain the bill.  Witnesses  
         testifying and registering on the bill are shown on the attached list.  The chairman moved that the public testimony be  
         closed; without objection, it was so ordered.  During public testimony, Senator Armbrister was briefly in the  
         chair. 
          
         Next, the chairman announced that upon the arrival of a quorum, he would entertain a motion on either SB 8  
         or SB 41.  While waiting, Senator Nelson moved to adopt the Armbrister substitute to SB 8; without  
         objection, it was so ordered. 
          
         Upon the arrival of a quorum, Senator Nelson moved that SB 8 do  
         not pass but that CSSB 8 be reported back  
         to the Senate with the recommendation that it do pass and be printed.  The motion carried with a record vote  
         of 5 ayes, 1 nay, 0 present not voting, and 3 absent.   
          
         There being no further motions, at 3:50 p.m., Chairman Ratliff moved that the Committee stand recessed  
         subject to the call of the chair.  Without objection, it was so ordered.   
          
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         Senator Bill Ratliff, Chairman 
          
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         Nancy B. Macken, Clerk