MINUTES 
                                           
               Committee  on Veteran Affairs & Military Installations 
                                           
                            Wednesday, February 12, 2003 
                                     8:00 a.m. 
                            Capitol Extension Auditorium 
                                           
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         Pursuant to a notice posted in accordance with Senate Rule  
         11.18, a joint public hearing of the Committee was held on  
         Wednesday, February 12, 2003, in the Capitol Extension  
         Auditorium at Austin, Texas.  The Texas House of Representatives'  
         Committee on Defense Affairs and State-Federal Relations, as  
         well as the Texas Strategic Military Planning Commission,  
         officially joined the Senate Committee in this hearing. 
          
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         MEMBERS PRESENT:                        MEMBERS ABSENT: 
         Senator Leticia Van de Putte, Chair     Senator Craig Estes,  
                                                 Vice Chair 
         Senator Troy Fraser                     Senator Frank Madla 
         Senator Eliot Shapleigh                 (Both Estes and Madla  
                                                 arrived later) 
                                           
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         Senator Leticia Van de Putte, Chair of the Texas Senate's  
         Committee on Veteran Affairs and Military Installations, called  
         the joint hearing to order at 8:07 a.m.  The Clerk of that  
         Committee, Mr. Gregory D. Watson, called the roll (results shown  
         above).  A quorum of that Committee was present. 
          
         Representative Frank J. Corte, Jr., Chair of the Texas House of  
         Representatives' Committee on Defense Affairs and State-Federal  
         Relations, called the House Committee to order at 8:08 a.m.  The  
         Clerk of that Committee, Mr. Donovan Burton, called the roll of  
         that Committee.  A quorum of that Committee was likewise  
         present. 
          
         Mr. William J. Ehrie, CEcD, Chair of the Texas Strategic  
         Military Planning Commission, called the Commission to order at  
         8:09 a.m., and himself ascertained that a quorum of that  
         Commission was likewise present. 
          
         A joint service color guard then ceremonially presented both the  
         American Flag and the Texas Flag to the joint hearing. 
          
         The pledge of allegiance to the American Flag was led by Miss  
  
         Lauren Monat, daughter of Coast Guard Veteran, George Monat. 
          
         The Invocation was offered by Chief Master Sergeant (Ret.)  
         Asbury Mitchell. 
          
         Senator Estes now present (8:15 a.m.) 
          
         Senator Van de Putte made general opening remarks. 
          
         Representative Corte made general opening remarks. 
          
         Senator Fraser commented on Base Realignment and Closure (BRAC)  
         issues. 
          
         Senator Shapleigh likewise commented on BRAC. 
          
         Representative Scott Campbell, of the House's Committee,  
         commented as to the economic impact of military bases within the  
         communities in which same are located. 
          
         Representative Gene Seaman, of the House's Committee, likewise  
         commented as to the economic impact of military bases within the  
         communities in which same are located. 
          
         Representative Tommy Merritt, of the House's Committee,  
         commented as to the explosion of the Space Shuttle Columbia in  
         the skies over eastern Texas and he commended the various local,  
         state, and federal agencies which responded to that explosion. 
          
         Representative Dianne W. Delisi, of the House's Committee,  
         commented as to the economic impact of military bases within the  
         communities in which same are located. 
          
         Senator Van de Putte commented as to the heroic actions of  
         agencies and private citizens relative to the explosion of the  
         Space Shuttle Columbia and then discussed housekeeping matters  
         relative to procedures for the Joint Hearing.  She went on to  
         describe the social and economic impact--and general  
         security--of military bases within the communities in which same  
         are located.  She stressed that BRAC issues must be addressed  
         during the current 78th Legislature. 
          
         Senator Shapleigh commented as to the role of the new standing  
         "Subcommittee on Base Realignment and Closure" (BRAC), of which  
         he is Chair; he stressed that BRAC issues must be addressed  
         during the current 78th Legislature and he went on to explain  
         the attributes of proposed legislation--not yet filed in the  
         78th Legislature which would: 
          
         align the agencies that deal with military preparedness under  
         the umbrella of the Office of the Governor; 
          
         create a Texas Military Preparedness Fund to make strategic  
         state investments in military bases to enhance their value; 
          
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         establish priorities within state agencies that deal with  
         military bases, such as the Texas Department of Transportation; 
          
         reduce the costs of utilities charged to military bases; and 
          
         focus upon how the children of military parents are to be  
         educated. 
          
         Senator Shapleigh went on to say that a strong effort should be  
         made to obtain political support for this proposed--but not yet  
         introduced--legislation. 
          
         Representative Rick Noriega, of the House's Committee, now  
         present (8:41 a.m.) 
          
         Mr. William J. Ehrie came forward to testify as to the economic  
         impact of military bases within the communities in which same  
         are located--as well as the implications to the state and  
         federal governments.  He noted that it is crucial that the 78th  
         Legislature take appropriate action on BRAC issues inasmuch as  
         in late 2004 the very first steps of the closure process will  
         begin and the 79th Legislature in 2005 will already be behind  
         the curve and only be able to take "band-aid" measures to  
         respond to any closure(s) which might occur.  Communities, state  
         government, and the federal government, must all work to keep  
         the U.S. Department of Defense informed as to the needs of the  
         community and of the state as to what each community has to  
         offer to the nation's overall defense effort, he asserted.  He  
         specifically recommended state funding of efforts to retain all  
         existing--and even attract new--military installations.  He  
         referred to "jointness" and "co-location" of military  
         installations to make Texas more attractive to the Department of  
         Defense.  He noted the need to educate the children and spouses  
         of military personnel and a need for smooth transfers from  
         school to school or from university to university. 
          
         Representative Noriega expressed concerns to Chairman Ehrie  
         about "buffer space" and "encroachment" concerns in the Houston  
         area near Ellington Air Force Base, particularly relative to  
         rail lines carrying hazardous materials. 
          
         Chairman Ehrie noted the need for the Texas Congressional  
         Delegation to be fully aware of the implications of BRAC  
         proposals and about "buffer space" and "encroachment" concerns. 
          
         Representative Delisi asked what the Texas Military Strategic  
         Planning Commission is doing to ensure that all efforts relative  
         to BRAC are smoothly coordinated. 
          
         Chairman Ehrie responded by saying that the Commission and its  
         individual members are in frequent contact with the community,  
         with local governments, with state government, and with the  
         federal government on BRAC concerns. 
          
         Chairman Corte noted that the Joint Hearing is in possession of  
  
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         two documents--2005 Base Realignment and Closure (BRAC) "Talking  
         Paper" as of February 12, 2002, as well as a 2005 Base  
         Realignment and Closure (BRAC) Plan, General Information &  
         Timelines--both of which are available to the members of the  
         Joint Hearing and the audience. 
          
         Senator Fraser expressed concern about funding projects relative  
         to ports or highways for deployment routes.  He expressed a need  
         to communicate with the Texas Department of Transportation  
         (TxDOT), and with members of the Texas Congressional Delegation,  
         to make specific requests as to specific roadway upgrade  
         projects--rather than being generic--and within a time certain. 
          
         Chairman Ehrie responded by saying that local governments must  
         do more to communicate such needs to the Texas Congressional  
         Delegation and to join with communications already being made by   
         TxDOT and state legislators. 
          
         Senator Van de Putte noted that two documents would be  
         officially made part of the Joint Hearing's record, those being  
         the Texas Strategic Military Planning Commission (TSMPC) State  
         Recommendations and the TSMPC Federal Recommendations as to  
         minimizing the negative impacts of military spending reductions. 
          
         Mr. Ralph C. Gauer, Vice Chairman of the TSMPC, came forward to  
         testify on previous rounds of military spending reductions  
         occurring in years 1989, 1991, 1993, and 1995, and their lack of  
         relationship with the current projected 2005 BRAC process.  All  
         experiences before 2005 were pegged on service-oriented  
         reductions in structure--basically the armed services themselves  
         determined what reductions would occur.  In the upcoming 2005  
         BRAC process, Secretary Rumsfeld and the Office of the Secretary  
         of Defense (OSD) community will control all aspects.  Even the  
         term "military value" itself has taken on an expanded meaning,  
         covering large regions and even entire states, rather than  
         localities.  Now, quality-of-life issues will be measurable and  
         quantifiable in measuring one state versus another state when  
         deciding which military installations to close and which to keep  
         operating.  He recommended that in 2003 a fresh report be issued  
         by the state to the federal government extolling the benefits of  
         keeping in operation those military facilities located in Texas.   
         Gauer also provided written testimony. 
          
         Senator Van de Putte took a few moments to recognize the various  
         local elected officials present in the audience. 
          
         The slide presentation then commenced with information provided  
         by Ehrie and Gauer.  It was stressed that a statewide, cohesive  
         effort must be made to retain military facilities and that there  
         not be splinter groups pitting various parts of the state  
         against other parts of the state.  Results of the Military  
         Partnership Survey were alluded to. 
          
         Mr. Larry Silvey of the Texas Aerospace Commission appeared (in  
         place of Mr. Bill Looke) and  came forward to testify on the  
  
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         Community Military Partnership Survey and the meanings of its  
         results.  Data were collected from various sources and entered  
         into a unified database.  Community relationships, property,  
         services, utilities, privatization, legislation, infrastructure,  
         quality-of-life, military value, efficiencies, cost-savings, and  
         real estate, were among the many factors taken into  
         consideration.  One of the strengths in Texas is the strong  
         social relationship between military facilities in Texas and the  
         local communities in which they are located.  Mr. Silvey  
         narrated a concomitant slide presentation. 
          
         Representative Noriega then asked if discontinued military  
         installations in Texas would qualify under a community master  
         plan to be included in programs for enterprise zones that the  
         Texas Department of Economic Development operates.  Silvey did  
         not know the answer to that question.  Noriega then observed  
         that a discontinued military installation could be utilized for  
         improved infrastructure and specifically flood-prevention  
         efforts.  Silvey responded that the observation was valid. 
          
         Senator Madla now present (9:39 a.m.) 
          
         Senator Madla noted in response to Noriega that, yes,  
         discontinued military installations could--under very specific  
         circumstances and with the enactment of specific  
         legislation--qualify as enterprise zones. 
          
         Senator Van de Putte noted the need for the House members of the  
         Joint Hearing to recess in order to attend the session of the  
         House of Representatives at 10:00 a.m. and she requested that  
         witnesses keep their testimony brief in view of the fact that  
         the Senate session would commence at 11:00 a.m.  She noted that  
         Texas is in competition with other states in retaining military  
         bases. 
          
         Mr. Tom Rumora, of the City of San Antonio, came forward to  
         testify as to "encroachment" concerns and about approaches taken  
         in other states to maintain their threatened military facilities  
         and noted the existence of inter-governmental squabbling and  
         poor organizational structure which then harmed efforts in other  
         states to retain military facilities.  He went on to note the  
         potential for military installations to be utilized as  
         educational and training facilities for average citizens.  He  
         noted the need to reduce utility expenses to military  
         facilities. 
          
         Representative Corte interjected at 9:52 a.m. that the House  
         members would need to leave in order to register their presence  
         at the session of the House of Representatives.  That Committee  
         recessed. 
          
         Mr. Rumora continued his testimony relative to how other states  
         and localities have failed to offer a unified front and  
         consequently lost military facilities.  He noted that, in  
         general, state governments had been non-participatory in prior  
  
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         BRAC processes.  He pointed out concerns relative to damage to  
         the environment caused by some military facilities and tied it  
         into infrastructure difficulties.  He noted the need for  
         statewide "jointness" between all levels of government. 
          
         Senator Madla then asked what would be done--once a based is  
         slated for closure--to make the federal government speed up the  
         closure so that investors interested in converting the site can  
         proceed quickly with the conversion process.  Rumora agreed and  
         responded by saying that there must be flexibility--currently  
         lacking--in the final closure of an ill-fated facility. 
          
         Senator Van de Putte noted the strategic positioning of U.S.  
         Senator John Cornyn.  She then introduced Mr. Gary Bushell, of  
         the South Texas Military Facilities Task Force, who came forward  
         to testify that Florida and Arizona have hired lobbyists to work  
         in Washington, D.C., to retain military facilities.  He did not  
         see a need for Texas to hire any lobbyists for that purpose.  He  
         noted that California has undertaken a study of  "encroachment"  
         concerns.  He pointed out that Texas must take a statewide,  
         pro-active approach and present a unified front to the federal  
         government in order to minimize the pain of potential military  
         facility realignment and closure.  He noted that some military  
         installations have been converted into museums and into other  
         community-enhancement facilities.  He stressed the need to  
         communicate constantly with the Department of Defense and the  
         Texas Congressional Delegation. 
          
         Senator Van de Putte noted that recent budget cuts at the state  
         level barring or reducing out-of-state travel would hamper such  
         contacts with persons in Washington, D.C.  She went on to  
         recognize persons in the audience who have played roles  
         throughout the 77th Legislature's interim in BRAC-related  
         discussions. 
          
         General H. G. (Pete) Taylor (Ret.), Chairman, Military Child  
         Education Coalition, came forward to testify as to the needs  
         of--and problems connected with--educating the youth of parents  
         who are serving in the military.  Almost all of such youth in  
         Texas attend public schools, he asserted.  He spoke of the  
         traumas of students moving from location to location to location  
         and, therefore, from school to school to school, and how  
         tremendously disruptive these changes are to the student's  
         education.  He addressed the issue of "high-stakes testing" exit  
         exams--which are now required by the laws of numerous  
         states--and the lack of comprehensive reciprocity agreements  
         between the states regarding such exit exams.  He noted that  
         Texas law still requires such a student to re-take the exit exam  
         despite the fact that he or she had already done so in another  
         state.  He mentioned House Bill No. 591, by Delisi, of the  
         current 78th Legislature, which would establish such  
         reciprocity. 
          
         Senator Van de Putte echoed the need for such reciprocity. 
          
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         Taylor went on to state that the Texas Education Agency (TEA)  
         should work administratively on this and other closely-related  
         concerns. 
          
         Senator Van de Putte called upon Mr. Ed Davis, of the City of  
         San Antonio, who came forward to testify relative to defense  
         community initiatives.  He noted that the City of San Antonio,  
         at the municipal level, has taken a pro-active approach to try  
         to avert military facility reductions.  He noted that a $5  
         billion economic impact to the city and state exists presently  
         in San Antonio.  He pointed out the importance of the military  
         value--not their local economic impact--as what truly concerns  
         the federal government when it comes to evaluating the  
         continuation or the closure of military facilities.  He noted  
         the many initiatives that the City of San Antonio has undertaken  
         to prepare for the 2005 BRAC process and he pointed out just how  
         beneficial the facilities in the San Antonio area are to the  
         nation's military preparedness. 
          
         Representatives Corte and John Mabry (a member of the House's  
         Committee who was present earlier) returned to the Joint Hearing  
         at 10:25 a.m. 
          
         Davis' testimony continued in which he noted that at the  
         now-closed Brooks Air Force Base, there are actually examples in  
         which missions are still in progress and the federal government  
         presently pays the City of San Antonio to conduct such missions  
         at the now "Brooks City Base."  Additionally, the City of San  
         Antonio pays for utilities to the facility, thereby saving the  
         federal government even more money. 
          
         Representatives Merritt and Noriega returned to the Joint  
         Hearing at 10:32 a.m. 
          
         Chairman Dick Messbarger, Texas Defense Aviation, Aerospace  
         Alliance, came forward to testify on the subject of  
         privatization of military housing.  He noted legislation in  
         Washington, D.C. offered by U.S. Representative Solomon Ortiz  
         and by U.S. Senator Kay Bailey Hutchison.  He stated that  
         private-public ventures have been successful in providing  
         quality military housing at a reasonable cost to the taxpayer.   
         Reference was made to a "Military Preparedness Act," to a  
         "Brooks City Base," and to a "Brooks Development Authority." 
          
         Representative Delisi returned to the Joint Hearing at 10:47  
         a.m. 
          
         Chairman Corte, at 10:47 a.m., gaveled the House's Committee on  
         Defense Affairs and State-Federal Relations back into session  
         and its Clerk, Mr. Donovan Burton, called the roll.  A quorum of  
         that Committee was again announced present. 
          
         Messbarger then concluded his testimony by pointing to the  
         benefits of local initiatives, and that waiting upon the federal  
  
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         government to take initiatives is unwise.  He did note, however,  
         the wisdom of partnering with the Department of Defense. 
          
         Representative Noriega discussed with Messbarger what the cost  
         per unit would be of the military housing that Messbarger  
         referred to in his testimony. 
          
         Representative Campbell returned to the Joint Hearing at 10:49  
         a.m. 
          
         General Paul Roberson, of San Antonio, came forward to testify  
         relative to the economic impact of military facilities in the  
         San Antonio region and the 1995 closure of Kelly Air Force Base.   
         He outlined the subsequent history of Kelly and the purposes for  
         which that facility has been used since it left federal control.   
         He also referred to the Brooks City Base "model" in which a  
         municipal government steps in to salvage and then revitalize a  
         closed military installation.  He referred to the Fort Sam  
         Houston "model" which is still largely a continuing, active  
         installation--but with a new hospital constructed by private  
         developers and constitutes "enhanced leasing" for private  
         purposes.  It could, however, one day return to public usage, he  
         indicated.  Assessment of military value should use past  
         closures as models of success--or for mistakes to avoid. 
          
         Senator Van de Putte introduced to the audience the staff of the  
         Senate Committee and then she recessed the Senate Committee at  
         10:54 a.m., subject to the call of the Chair. 
          
         Commissioner Robert Nichols, of the Texas Department of  
         Transportation, then came forward to testify on the  
         transportation concerns relative to the 2005 round of BRAC.  He  
         addressed problems relative to deployment routes.  He noted  
         Senate Bill No. 907 of the 77th Legislature which prompted TxDOT  
         to conduct a study relative to the roadway routes leading to  
         military facilities and to improve access to such  
         facilities--especially military personnel utilizing such routes  
         to travel to and from military facilities.  He noted the  
         economic impact of ease of access to military facilities.  He  
         noted that TxDOT will be highly sensitive to the transportation  
         needs of military facilities and the needs of those who interact  
         with military facilities. 
          
         At 11:00 a.m., there being no further business to transact,  
         Representative Campbell, seconded by Representative Mabry, moved  
         that the Joint Hearing adjourn.   There being no objection, the  
         motion carried. 
          
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         Senator Leticia Van de Putte, Chair 
          
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         Gregory D. Watson, Committee Clerk