MINUTES 
                                           
                            SENATE COMMITTEE ON FINANCE 
                               Thursday, May 5, 2005 
                           11:00 a.m. or upon adjournment 
                           Capitol Extension, Room E1.036 
                                           
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         Pursuant to a notice posted in accordance with Senate Rule  
         11.18, a public hearing of the Senate Committee on Finance was  
         held on Thursday, May 5, 2005, in the Capitol Extension, Room  
         E1.036, at Austin, Texas. 
          
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         MEMBERS PRESENT:                        MEMBERS ABSENT: 
         Senator Steve Ogden                     None 
         Senator Judith Zaffirini 
         Senator Kip Averitt 
         Senator Gonzalo Barrientos 
         Senator Kim Brimer 
         Senator Bob Deuell 
         Senator Robert Duncan 
         Senator Kyle Janek 
         Senator Jane Nelson 
         Senator Florence Shapiro 
         Senator Eliot Shapleigh 
         Senator Todd Staples 
         Senator Royce West 
         Senator John Whitmire 
         Senator Tommy Williams 
                                           
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         The chair called the meeting to order at 1:25 p.m.  The  
         following business was transacted: 
          
         The roll was called. 
          
         A quorum was established. 
          
         Senator Zaffirini assumed the chair.  
          
         The chair laid out HB 3 and the proposed Committee Substitute,  
         both which had been left pending at a previous hearing.  
          
         The chair laid out SJR 38 and the proposed Committee Substitute,  
         both which had been left pending at a previous hearing. 
          
         Senator Janek sent up Committee Amendment 56.  Senator Janek  
         moved that the Amendment be left pending; without objection, it  
         was so ordered. 
  
         Senator Shapleigh sent up Committee Amendment 58.  Senator  
         Shapleigh moved that the Amendment be left pending; without  
         objection, it was so ordered. 
          
         Senator Shapleigh sent up Committee Amendment 46.  Senator  
         Shapleigh moved that the Amendment be left pending; without  
         objection, it was so ordered. 
          
         Senator Shapleigh sent up Committee Amendment 50 and moved  
         adoption.  The motion carried with a record vote of 12 ayes, 0  
         nay, 0 present not voting, and 3 absent.   
          
         Senator Shapleigh sent up Committee Amendment 52.  Senator  
         Shapleigh moved that the Amendment be left pending; without  
         objection, it was so ordered. 
          
         Senator Staples sent up Committee Amendment 25.  Senator Staples  
         moved that the Amendment be withdrawn; without objection, it was  
         so ordered. 
          
         Senator Brimer sent up Committee Amendment 2 and moved adoption.   
         The motion carried with a record vote of 12 ayes, 0 nay, 0  
         present not voting, and 3 absent.  At the May 6, 2005 Senate  
         Finance Committee hearing Senator Zaffirini requested  unanimous  
         consent to be shown voting aye; without objection, it was so  
         ordered. 
          
         Senator Williams sent up Committee Amendment 26.  Senator  
         Williams moved that the Amendment be withdrawn; without  
         objection, it was so ordered. 
          
         Senator Williams sent up Committee Amendment 41.  Senator  
         Williams moved that the Amendment be withdrawn; without  
         objection, it was so ordered. 
          
         Senator Williams sent up Committee Amendment 36 and moved  
         adoption.  The motion carried with a record vote of 12 ayes, 1  
         nay, 0 present not voting, and 2 absent.   
          
         Senator West sent up Committee Amendment 7 and moved adoption.   
         The motion failed by a record vote of 4 ayes, 8 nays, 0 present  
         not voting, and 3 absent.   
          
         Senator Barrientos sent up Committee Amendment 15 and moved  
         adoption.  The motion carried with a record vote of 11 ayes, 0  
         nay, 0 present not voting, and 4 absent.   
          
         Senator Barrientos sent up Committee Amendment 16 and moved  
         adoption.  The motion carried with a record vote of 10 ayes, 1  
         nay, 0 present not voting, and 4 absent.   
          
         Senator Barrientos sent up Committee Amendment 13.  Senator  
         Barrientos moved that the Amendment be withdrawn; without  
         objection, it was so ordered. 
  
         Senator Averitt sent up Committee Amendment 22.  Senator Averitt  
         moved that the Amendment be left pending; without objection, it  
         was so ordered. 
          
         Senator Williams sent up Committee Amendment 3 and moved  
         adoption.  The motion carried with a record vote of 8 ayes, 2  
         nays, 0 present not voting, and 5 absent.   
          
         Senator Williams sent up Committee Amendment 35.  Senator  
         Williams moved that the Amendment be withdrawn; without  
         objection, it was so ordered. 
          
         Senator Williams sent up Committee Amendment 55.  Senator  
         Williams moved that the Amendment be temporarily withdrawn;  
         without objection, it was so ordered. 
          
         Senator Shapleigh sent up Committee Amendment 53 and moved  
         adoption.  The motion carried with a record vote of 7 ayes, 3  
         nays, 1 present not voting, and 4 absent.   
          
         Senator West sent up Committee Amendment 6.  Senator West moved  
         that the Amendment be withdrawn; without objection, it was so  
         ordered. 
          
         Senator Shapleigh sent up Committee Amendment 54.  Senator  
         Shapleigh moved that the Amendment be withdrawn; without  
         objection, it was so ordered. 
          
         Senator Staples sent up Committee Amendment 68 and moved  
         adoption.  The motion carried with a record vote of 11 ayes, 0  
         nay, 0 present not voting, and 4 absent.   
          
         At 2:57 p.m. Senator Ogden moved that the Committee stand  
         recessed for one hour; without objection, it was so ordered. 
          
         Senator Zaffirini reconvened the Committee at 4:23 p.m. 
          
         Senator Barrientos sent up Committee Amendment 11.  Senator  
         Barrientos moved that the Amendment be left pending; without  
         objection, it was so ordered. 
          
         Senator Barrientos sent up Committee Amendment 14.  Senator  
         Barrientos moved that the Amendment be withdrawn; without  
         objection, it was so ordered. 
          
         Senator Williams sent up Committee Amendment 55a to replace  
         Committee Amendment 55, which had been temporarily withdrawn  
         earlier in the hearing; without objection it was so ordered.   
         Senator Williams moved that Amendment 55a be withdrawn; without  
         objection, it was so ordered. 
          
         Senator Brimer sent up Committee Amendment 5.  Senator Brimer  
         moved that the Amendment be left pending; without objection, it  
         was so ordered. 
  
         Senator West sent up Committee Amendment 8.  Senator West moved  
         that the Amendment be left pending; without objection, it was so  
         ordered. 
          
         Senator Barrientos sent up Committee Amendment 9.  Senator  
         Barrientos moved that the Amendment be left pending; without  
         objection, it was so ordered. 
          
         Senator Barrientos sent up Committee Amendment 10.  Senator  
         Barrientos moved that the Amendment be withdrawn; without  
         objection, it was so ordered. 
          
         Senator Barrientos sent up Committee Amendment 12 and moved  
         adoption.  The motion failed by a record vote of 5 ayes, 7 nays,  
         0 present not voting, and 3 absent.   
          
         Senator Barrientos sent up Committee Amendment 17.  Senator  
         Barrientos moved that the Amendment be withdrawn; without  
         objection, it was so ordered. 
          
         Senator Barrientos sent up Committee Amendment 18.  Senator  
         Barrientos moved that the Amendment be withdrawn; without  
         objection, it was so ordered. 
          
         Senator Brimer sent up Committee Amendment 21.  Senator Brimer  
         moved that the Amendment be withdrawn; without objection, it was  
         so ordered. 
          
         Senator Brimer sent up Committee Amendment 23, in the absence of  
         the Amendment's author. Senator Brimer moved that the Amendment  
         be left pending; without objection, it was so ordered. 
          
         Senator Staples sent up Committee Amendment 24.  Senator Staples  
         moved that the Amendment be left pending; without objection, it  
         was so ordered. 
          
         Senator Williams sent up Committee Amendment 28.  Senator  
         Williams moved that the Amendment be withdrawn; without  
         objection, it was so ordered. 
          
         Senator Williams sent up Committee Amendment 29.  Senator  
         Williams moved that the Amendment be withdrawn; without  
         objection, it was so ordered. 
          
         Senator Williams sent up Committee Amendment 30.  Senator  
         Williams moved that the Amendment be withdrawn; without  
         objection, it was so ordered. 
          
         Senator Williams sent up Committee Amendment 31.  Senator  
         Williams moved that the Amendment be left pending; without  
         objection, it was so ordered. 
          
         Senator Williams sent up Committee Amendment 32.  Senator  
         Williams moved that the Amendment be withdrawn; without  
  
         objection, it was so ordered. 
          
         Senator Williams sent up Committee Amendment 33.  Senator  
         Williams moved that the Amendment be withdrawn; without  
         objection, it was so ordered. 
          
         Senator Williams sent up Committee Amendment 34.  Senator  
         Williams moved that the Amendment be withdrawn; without  
         objection, it was so ordered. 
          
         Senator Williams sent up Committee Amendment 38 and moved  
         adoption.  The motion failed by a record vote of 4 ayes, 9 nays,  
         0 present not voting, and 2 absent.   
          
         Senator Williams sent up Committee Amendment 37.  Senator  
         Williams moved that the Amendment be withdrawn; without  
         objection, it was so ordered. 
          
         Senator Brimer sent up Committee Amendment 39.  Senator Brimer  
         moved that the Amendment be withdrawn; without objection, it was  
         so ordered. 
          
         Senator Shapiro sent up Committee Amendment 40.  Senator Shapiro  
         moved that the Amendment be left pending; without objection, it  
         was so ordered. 
          
         Senator Shapiro sent up Committee Amendment 43.  Senator Shapiro  
         moved that the Amendment be left pending; without objection, it  
         was so ordered. 
          
         Senator Shapleigh sent up Committee Amendment 44.  Senator  
         Shapleigh moved that the Amendment be left pending; without  
         objection, it was so ordered. 
          
         Senator Shapleigh sent up Committee Amendment 45 and moved  
         adoption.  The motion failed by a record vote of 5 ayes, 8 nays,  
         0 present not voting, and 2 absent.   
          
         Senator Shapleigh sent up Committee Amendment 47.  Senator  
         Shapleigh moved that the Amendment be withdrawn; without  
         objection, it was so ordered. 
          
         Senator Shapleigh sent up Committee Amendment 48.  Senator  
         Shapleigh moved that the Amendment be withdrawn; without  
         objection, it was so ordered. 
          
         Senator Shapleigh sent up Committee Amendment 49.  Senator Ogden  
         sent up Amendment to the Amendment 49a and moved adoption;  
         without objection, it was so ordered.  Senator Shapleigh moved  
         adoption of Committee Amendment 49 as amended.  The motion  
         carried with a record vote of 12 ayes, 0 nay, 0 present not  
         voting, and 3 absent. 
          
         At 6:23 p.m. Senator Ogden moved that the Committee stand  
         recessed for 15 minutes; without objection, it was so ordered. 
  
         Senator Zaffirini reconvened the Committee at 6:39 p.m. 
          
         Senator Shapiro sent up Committee Amendment 57.  Senator Shapiro  
         moved that the Amendment be left pending; without objection, it  
         was so ordered. 
          
         Senator Nelson sent up Committee Amendment 59.  Senator Nelson  
         moved that the Amendment be withdrawn; without objection, it was  
         so ordered. 
          
         Senator Whitmire sent up Committee Amendment 60.  Senator  
         Whitmire moved that the Amendment be withdrawn; without  
         objection, it was so ordered. 
          
         Senator Zaffirini  moved to pull down Committee Amendment 61;  
         without objection, it was so ordered.  Senator Zaffirini sent up  
         Committee Amendment 61a and moved adoption.  The motion carried  
         with a record vote of 9 ayes, 0 nay, 1 present not voting, and 5  
         absent. 
          
         Senator Staples sent up Committee Amendment 63.  Senator Staples  
         moved that the Amendment be withdrawn; without objection, it was  
         so ordered. 
          
         Senator Staples sent up Committee Amendment 64.  Senator Staples  
         moved that the Amendment be withdrawn; without objection, it was  
         so ordered. 
          
         Senator Staples sent up Committee Amendment 65.  Senator Staples  
         moved that the Amendment be left pending; without objection, it  
         was so ordered. 
          
         Senator Staples sent up Committee Amendment 67.  Senator Staples  
         moved that the Amendment be left pending; without objection, it  
         was so ordered. 
          
         Senator Williams sent up Committee Amendment 70.  Senator  
         Williams moved that the Amendment be left pending; without  
         objection, it was so ordered. 
          
         Senator Williams sent up Committee Amendment 71.  Senator  
         Williams moved that the Amendment be left pending; without  
         objection, it was so ordered. 
          
         Senator Williams sent up Committee Amendment 72.  Senator  
         Williams moved that the Amendment be left pending; without  
         objection, it was so ordered. 
          
         Senator Brimer sent up Committee Amendment 73, in the absence of  
         the Amendment's author, and moved adoption.  The motion carried  
         with a record vote of 11 ayes, 0 nay, 0 present not voting, and  
         4 absent. 
          
         Senator Ogden resumed the chair. 
  
         Senator Zaffirini moved to pull down Committee Amendment 4;  
         without objection, it was so ordered.  Senator Zaffirini sent up  
         Committee Amendment 4a and moved adoption.  The motion carried  
         with a record vote of 12 ayes, 1 nay, 0 present not voting, and  
         2 absent.   
          
         Senator Zaffirini assumed the chair. 
          
         Senator Williams sent up Committee Amendment 51.  Senator  
         Williams moved that the Amendment be withdrawn; without  
         objection, it was so ordered. 
          
         Senator Shapleigh sent up Committee Amendment 62.  Senator  
         Shapleigh moved that the Amendment be withdrawn; without  
         objection, it was so ordered. 
          
         Senator Shapleigh sent up Committee Amendment 69.  Senator  
         Shapleigh moved that the Amendment be withdrawn; without  
         objection, it was so ordered. 
          
         Senator Shapleigh sent up Committee Amendment 74.  Senator  
         Shapleigh moved that the Amendment be withdrawn; without  
         objection, it was so ordered. 
          
         Senator Ogden resumed the chair. 
          
         Senator Ogden moved that HB 3 be left pending; without  
         objection, it was so ordered. 
          
         Senator Ogden moved that SJR 38 be left pending; without  
         objection, it was so ordered. 
          
         There being no further business, at 7:21 p.m. Senator Ogden  
         moved that the Committee stand recessed until after adjournment  
         of the Senate the following day, May 6, 2005.  Without  
         objection, it was so ordered. 
          
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         Senator Steve Ogden, Chair 
          
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         Amy Jeter, Clerk